2013 America Should Be More Like 1789 America

Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – I don’t think that having aged members of the United States Senate is, by definition, a bad thing.  That’s why the age requirement to be a senator makes you five years older than you have to be to be a member of the House of Representin’.  The framers did consider: What’s the difference between the House of Representatives and the Senate?  It was debated and said the Senate would be the wiser versions of the House, who would be more temperate and moderate in their deliberation and in their discussion.  Check out today’s transcript for the rest…

 

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Mike:  Let me go to Randy in Tennessee.  How you doing?

Caller Randy:  Hi, Mike, how you doing?

Mike:  Good, thank you.

Caller Randy:  I’ve got to tell you, this whole thing has been entertainment, what’s happened the last week.  Whether this has got to do with oil in the Middle East or the military is losing their foothold in the Middle East, it’s about money.  That’s all it is.  The bottom line always involves money.  I don’t know how John McCain and Graham can think for a minute that it’s a good thing to get in the middle of Al-Qaeda Sunnis, and Hezbollah Shias in Syria.  I don’t know how you can even think you can win that or even that it makes sense to lob missiles into Syria with all that going on.  It’s just beyond me.  I really believe, on the military side, that they know we’re coming out of Afghanistan in 2014.  I really believe it’s that military complex still wanting a foothold in the Middle East.  Syria will just be the next one.  You can’t just lob cruise missiles and Tomahawks and not verify that you’ve taken care of the chemical weapons that Assad has, you can’t do it.

Mike:  It’s war by machine.  We were warned.  You can go all the way back to the invention of the Gatling gun.  There were those at the time of the invention of the Gatling gun going: Dude, this is not a good thing.  Mechanical warfare is going to cost millions upon millions upon millions of lives.  It’s going to change humanity.  Lo and behold, it sure has, hasn’t it?

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Caller Randy:  I sent McCain a tweet the other night.  I thanked him for his service for this country but I asked him to please leave Congress.  I asked him to take about ten other completely senile representatives with him.  I can’t even hardly stand to listen to Harry Reid anymore or Chuck Schumer or Lindsey Graham or Durbin.  They are so bought by special interest groups, they make no sense in what they talk about anymore.  I’ve said this before on your show.  I used to laugh at the Mexican government about how corrupt they are.  Look at what’s happened to Mexico with extreme poverty.  That is where we’re headed.  The deeper these freaking politicians get with the special interest groups, the more we lose the middle class of this country.  They just don’t seem to care anymore.  It’s sad, isn’t it?

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Mike:  I don’t think that having aged members of the United States Senate is, by definition, a bad thing.  That’s why the age requirement to be a senator makes you five years older than you have to be to be a member of the House of Representin’.  The framers did consider: What’s the difference between the House of Representatives and the Senate?  It was debated and said the Senate would be the wiser versions of the House, who would be more temperate and moderate in their deliberation and in their discussion.  Then the whole debate over whether or not the Senate was going to be apportioned by population or whether the Senate was going to be apportioned by states, in other words each state gets equal suffrage in the Senate, which is ultimately what happened, this was the result of weeks’ worth of argument.

Little Jimmy Madison insisted: No, the Senate has to be divided.  A large state like Virginia has to have ten senators and a pipsqueak state like Delaware only gets two.  The smaller states were going to walk out of the convention.  They were going to leave.  There wasn’t going to be any agreement to do anything.  I think it was either Rufus King or Pierce Butler who grabbed little Jimmy Madison and threw him into a corner and said: Look, you’ve got to stop and you’ve got to stop now.  We’re going to leave.  You’ve got to give up your idea of apportioned representation in the Senate.

The purpose of the Senate, to be blunt, and if you’re going to have a constitutional system — again, maybe it’s time to face the facts that Americans of 2013 are not Americans of 1789 or 1912.  The purpose of the Senate was to give the governors of the states, the legislatures of the states, and the people that elected the legislatures and governors, the final veto or the final say-so over anything the federal leviathan could do.  The state legislatures would appoint the senators and they would make their wishes known.  There was an awful lot of communication between governors and legislators in the individual states instructing them on what they thought they ought to do.  Not much would get out of the Congress and into the hands of the president to sign because of that.  We don’t have that system anymore.  With popular election of senators, we don’t have that.  That system is gone.  That check on federal aggression and federal power is gone.

Caller Randy:  I don’t believe the framers for one minute thought or even conceived that we would have lifelong politicians in the Senate or the House.

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Mike:  Sure they did.  I have to correct you on that.  Sure they did, absolutely.  James Monroe entered public life when he was 17 and he never left.  Hell, he died in New York on a mission on behalf of President John Quincy Adams.  James Madison didn’t drop out of public life.  They basically put him in a wheelchair and wheeled him to Virginia for the Virginia Constitutional Convention of 1828 or 1830.  Men like Gouverneur Morris and others, they never stopped legislating.  It was Hamilton’s idea that you should have senators appointed for life.  I don’t think that at all.  What I think, the difference between then and now, is that they had accrued or were granted a thimble’s worth of power.  There was less chance for corruption and abuse.  There was a chance but there was less chance for corruption and abuse.  That chastened them in and of itself.  Of course, that proverbial cat escaped that bag a long time ago.

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