If Wisconsin Rejects Right To Secede Then How Are They A Sovereign State?

Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – “I would like to know, Mr. Kapenga, where has the concept of nullification been stated as unconstitutional other than out of the mouths of those that also say that it’s unconstitutional for states to secede and exercise their sovereignty.  Where is it written?  Don’t you hold Mr. Jefferson as an authority on most matters of legality when it applies to the federal union?  What about Mr. Madison?   What about James Monroe?”  Check out today’s transcript for the rest…

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Mike:  Headline, “Wisconsin GOP rejects resolution on secession.”  Why?

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Delegates at the state GOP convention Saturday rejected on a voice vote a resolution on secession and state sovereignty.

The measure, which included language calling on the Legislature to nullify specific federal laws and regulations, was easily voted down.

Earlier, delegates used an amendment to strip out a portion of the resolution that called for the right, under extreme circumstances, to secede.

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Mike:  You don’t have to have a resolution saying you have the right to secede; you do.  You know what’s amazing about what’s going on here in Wisconsin and with the Wisconsin GOP saying, [mocking] “Nullification is illegal.  Secession is illegal.  We only have our magisterial central government power.  Congress is absolute and everlasting”?  The only thing that is enduring is the national legislature.  The states are not enduring, in other words.  If you’re not going to claim your sovereignty, you’re not going to endure.  How could you?  This is the same state…

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This is the same state that used nullification to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act back in the 1850s.  They did it with great aplomb.  They said: Nope, not in this state.  You have gone too far.  Here’s a great question for all you libs that call yourselves conservatives, or you frauds that call yourselves conservatives in Wisconsin that voted against the basic — the most basic of all political rights is the right to secession, which is, stated another way, the right to self-determination, the right to self-government, which is what we’re supposed to be practicing on this continent.  We don’t but we’re supposed to be.

Let me ask you a question.  That would then make the assessment and the declaration made by the Wisconsin legislature, when it nullified the Fugitive Slave Act, it claimed that it could do so, one because it was a sovereign entity and it retained all of its rights that it had not surrendered when it ratified the Constitution as per the Tenth Amendment.  Also, as a sovereign state and as a member to the compact known as the Constitution, if it had adjudged that a part of what the compact brought about, which is the federal government, if it had exceeded its authority, then it had a right and a duty, an obligation in other words, to nullify it and say: No, you can’t do this.  This law is of no force here.  We will not honor it.  We don’t have to.  Are those frauds in Wisconsin now saying that the legislature erred when it nullified the Fugitive Slave Act?  What did the Fugitive Slave Act entail, what did it do?  It said that if a slave left the state that he or she was owned in and made their way to another state, the other state had a responsibility, a duty, was bound by law to return the property back to the original owner.  That’s what it said.  As the Wisconsin legislature said: You don’t have the authority to do that.  Nowhere in the Constitution are you granted the power to act in that manner.  They nullified it.  A couple of states nullified the Fugitive Slave Act.  Were they wrong, Wisconsiners?  All they did was assert their right to self-determination and sovereignty.

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Earlier, delegates used an amendment to strip out a portion of the resolution that called for the right, under extreme circumstances, to secede.

State Rep. Chris Kapenga (R-Delafield), spoke against the measure.

“This is not a friendly resolution to the party,” he said. “Sovereignty is clearly laid out in the Constitution the way it is…

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Mike:  Okay, Mr. Kapenga, can you tell me where sovereignty is laid out in the Constitution and how it is laid out if it’s not laid out to say that the member states are members of a compact and therefore are sovereign entities?  They have to be.  Before you can enter into a compact, you would have to be a sovereign entity.  An entity that is not sovereign, how could you enter a compact, under what style, under what legal authority, under what legal state of existence?  Clearly there is some wacky tobacky that’s being smoked up in Wisconsin by Republicans.

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“Sovereignty is clearly laid out in the Constitution the way it is…as far as nullification is concerned, nullification has clearly been stated as unconstitutional. The Republican Party does not want to chase down the rabbit hole of nullification.”

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Mike:  I would like to know, Mr. Kapenga, where has the concept of nullification been stated as unconstitutional other than out of the mouths of those that also say that it’s unconstitutional for states to secede and exercise their sovereignty.  Where is it written?  Don’t you hold Mr. Jefferson as an authority on most matters of legality when it applies to the federal union?  What about Mr. Madison?  What about him?  What about James Monroe?  We can name federalists or founders at the time that all signed off on and clearly stated the same idea, that the Constitution was a compact, and as such, of course you can nullify a law that doesn’t comport with or you don’t think is in keeping with the charter that the compact makes.  What else did he say?

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Don Hilbig, a delegate from Rock County, spoke in support of the measure.

“There is no more burning question than our sovereign rights as a state,” he said. “Secession is a critical part of that.” [Mike: Mr. Hilbig, you are correct.  You get the gold star for the day.  Put the dunce cap on the other imbeciles and stand them in the corner, please.]

Joe Fadness, executive director of the Wisconsin GOP said, “The party spoke loudly today that secession is not something we support.”

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Mike:  In other words, the GOP now then does not support self-government.  They only support then government — I assume this is specific to Wisconsin’s GOP — they only support government that is heavy handed and from the top down and does not hold that there are members to an agreement which makes up a constituted union.  That’s why you have a constitution, it constitutes the union.  That’s the purpose of the thing.  If you’re not a sovereign entity, under what authority then did you enter the union?  Someone should ask Mr. Fadness that question.  As long as you have these yes-men like these guys in the Wisconsin GOP that deny that their state even has the right to be a state — if you cannot state sovereignty, then you cannot join a compact or a union.  What does the Wisconsin GOP think that Wisconsin is, a corporation?

Caller:  Minions.

Mike:  It can’t be a union.  Is it a union of counties?  If it’s a union of counties, okay, where did the county get the authority to draw borders and become a county?  Are they claiming that they’re sovereign?

Caller:  That’s the thing, Mike.  They’re a bunch of those little, yellow Twinkie guys from that Disney movie, the minions that just gather around and say yes. [/private]

Mike:  Yes, minions.  I concur.  Thanks for the phone call.  Just to recap if you’re wondering, [mocking] “What is he jawboning about?”  The Wisconsin GOP had their yearly convention.  There was a measure to include in the state’s party platform that the state had the right to secede, and that it was a sovereign entity and therefore had the right to have an equal say so in what is and what is not unconstitutional as you live and operate under the U.S. Constitution.  Folks, this is how a compact works.  It is not a one-way street with a centralized, monstrous, egomaniacal power saying: No, no, we get to tell you everything because we’re us and you’re not.

For the Wisconsin GOP to deny, by recorded voice vote, that the state is not sovereign — here’s the two dopamines in here.  Where does it say in the Constitution that states are sovereign?  Unless I missed it, it doesn’t.  You know why?  Because everybody knows that.  Every state that joined in 1789, ’90 and ’91 with Rhode Island being the last, they all knew — look at it this way.  If the states weren’t sovereign, how could North Carolina abstain and say: Nope, not ratifying, not gonna do it?   On the second convention they ratified but in the first they said no.  If they weren’t sovereign, why didn’t Congress just send an army down to North Carolina and start arresting people saying, [mocking] “No, you’re joining the union, man.  You gotta join.  You don’t have any power”?  Ditto the same question for Rhode Island.

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