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Obama’s War on ISIS Means War Forever

Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – “As I said when we started this exercise this morning, congratulations.  Those of you that wanted never-ending, perpetual war, you get your wish.  We are now assured it will never end.  We are also now assured that our intervention in the Middle East into the affairs of other countries will never end.  Thank you.  Nice job.”  Check out today’s transcript for the rest….

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President Obama: So this resolution will give our armed forces and our coalition the continuity we need for the next three years. It is not a time table. It is not announcing that the mission is completed at any given period. What it is saying is that Congress should revisit the issue at the beginning of the next president’s term.

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Mike:  They haven’t visited the issue.  What do you mean revisit it?  They haven’t visited it.  You’d have to visit it in order to revisit it.  Did you hear that?  So the authorization to use military force against Iraq, against Saddam Hussein is what he’s been operating under.  There’s no need for me to go back and cover all this because we covered this in July, August and September.  Here’s Daniel Larison on what you just heard:

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The administration’s proposed authorization for the ISIS war restricts the use of ground forces, but does not limit the war to Iraq and Syria.

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Mike:  As I said, we may be fighting actually on the ice world of Hoth if S.H.I.E.L.D. or HYDRA rears their ugly heads.  Back to Larison, and this is from the resolution:

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“There are no geographic limitations, so the administration would be free to expand the war to other countries.”

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Mike:  Again, see ice world of Hoth, Vulcan, the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, Antarctica, Nigeria, Scotland, Ireland, no limitation whatsoever.  I read you the declaration of war against Germany and Japan.  There’s another one in there against the people of Italy.  These are very clear, very concise, and very precise military actions against governments to halt an action against the people of the United States, against the government of the United States.  The only reason the government of the United States would be attacked is because we put people into interventionist positions.  In other words, you’ve made targets out of them.  The people of Nebraska aren’t being attacked by ISIS.  The people of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, there’s no ISIS cruiser coming up the Mississippi River.  Back to Larison:

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Since the administration claims to believe that the 2001 AUMF already applies to the war against ISIS, [Mike: Which, by the way, did not even exist at the time the AUMF went into effect so how could it possibly apply?] it’s a little bit strange that they have included any restrictions in the draft of the new resolution. Limiting the use of ground forces makes it easier for members to vote for the authorization, but then the administration would have been happy enough if Congress never voted for a new resolution. The resolution would have to be renewed after three years, but that is likely to be a mere formality when the time comes. [Mike: That’s because we’ll be dealing with ISIS clones at that time.] Fighting such an open-ended, ill-conceived war all but guarantees that it will continue beyond any time limit set for it in the AUMF.

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Mike:  As I said when we started this exercise this morning, congratulations.  Those of you that wanted never-ending, perpetual war, you get your wish.  We are now assured it will never end.  We are also now assured that our intervention in the Middle East into the affairs of other countries will never end.  Thank you.  Nice job.

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The sunset provision is included to make a bad policy seem more reasonable. There is likely to be no more serious rethinking of the policy three years from now than there was serious consideration of the wisdom of intervention last summer. The entire process of authorizing the war is happening long after the decision to intervene was made . . .

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Mike:  In other words, you go and intervene and then you go: Maybe we ought to have some kind of, just a little something to fall back on, just in case something happens in the future, thus the announcement yesterday.  Here’s Larison’s, I think, the crux of his argument, which I believe to be valid:

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There has never been any meaningful public deliberation over whether military action was either wise or necessary, and the debate over this resolution isn’t going to remedy that.

It is hard to miss the absurdity of this entire process. The war has been going on for half a year, so it’s not as if the administration thinks it needs Congressional approval.

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Mike:  Of course they don’t.  Only if we had a constitution that would limit the powers of the president as commander in chief and would force Congress to define those powers, that’s the only instance in which you would need Congress’s acquiescence.  Since we don’t operate under the Constitution any longer, you don’t need Congress’s approval.  As I said earlier, you would get it because the war hawks in Congress have never met a conflict they haven’t liked.

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In the event that that the administration chooses to ignore the restrictions included in its proposed AUMF, there is very little chance that it will be forced to answer for that by Congress. That is especially true when many members of the majority in both houses object to the language of the proposed resolution because it is too limiting rather than too broad. [Mike: I don’t know how you could make it more broad than it is.] The lack of geographical limitations is worrisome, since it suggests that the administration conceives of the war on ISIS in Iraq and Syria as just one part of a potentially much larger campaign.

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Mike:  I have a question.  If we find out that ISIS is in Paris, can we storm the beaches of Normandy and climb the cliffs again to go get ISIS?  Is this the arrogance of the United States showing itself again?  Hey, King what’s-your-name of Jordan, you’re not the only one that can fight a war against those ISIS bad guys.  Just watch this, pal.  No geographical limitations, none.  Your backyard, battlefield.  Again, congratulations, war hawks.  Wait till you hear Michael Scheuer’s take on all this.

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Along the same lines, authorizing force against ISIS’ “associated forces” potentially allows the U.S. to take military action in Libya or in any other country where a jihadist group declares its support for ISIS, no matter how tenuous the actual connection between the organizations might be. The administration has already presumed to wage war on its own authority for months on more than one occasion, and it has interpreted existing law and previous Congressional authorizations however it pleased, so it would be foolish to think that it will respect the limits contained in a new resolution.

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Mike:  Of course it’s not going to respect the limits.  There are no limits.  The limit is: Look, in three years you guys are going to have to have a fake debate over this and pretend that we actually care about procedure.  We have to demonstrate to all the people out there eating popcorn, drinking beer, and watching the body count reports on CNN every night, we kind of have to pretend that we know what we’re doing here.  Before any of you can call and tell me about the existential threat that is ISIS — 20,000 strong, they are, the legion of ISIS, which has been repelled by the Kurds, is being attacked by the Syrians.  Intelligence is being fed to the Iraqis from the Iranians.  The Jordanians, which are Muslim by the bye, are now engaged.  All this is happening and yet you think we must get involved and now we must commit to this in an ongoing, never-ending process.

Before we have any more discussion on this show on this, I’m just going to reiterate — [mocking] “What’s your plan?”  I’ll give you my plan, for you smart a’s out there that would think that this is all just about disarmament and this is all just about my hatred of the troops, like some of you think.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Let’s just go over what the Church plan would be.  Let’s pretend that I’m president.  What I’m going to do is, I’m going to go give a speech in front of Congress and I’m going to give geographic definitions.  From where the Muslim world starts today to where it ends, name all the countries that are in between, each and every one of them.  Inform Congress that we are to instruct any United States citizens that are living, working, hanging out, doing whatever in any of those countries, get out.  Tell them to get out because hell is coming.

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Then I’m going to tell Congress: I wish for you to authorize a declaration of war against the government of each one of those countries.  I want a declaration of war against Iran, Iraq — even though the Iraqi government is our government, the one we put in there — against Iraq, against Syria, against Jordan, against Yemen.  Name your country that’s in there.  You’ve got to throw Saudi Arabia in there, too.  I’m going to ask Congress to declare a war.  I’m going to ask them to raise me an army of 20 million males.  Even though it’s unconstitutional, I’m going to ask them to institute a draft.  If you are under the age of 50 and you can pick the rifle up, you’re drafted.

I’m going to inform the Congress that we’re going to need to raise $1 trillion and that they should immediately impose an excise tax on the sale of every retail item that is sold in the United States, the proceeds of which will go into a fund so we have the funding.  I’m going to instruct the Congress to instruct the defense contractors to start making the vessels that are going to be necessary for the land invasion of the Middle East.  Then we’re going to go in and systematically subjugate every Muslim in the entire region.  Anyone that picks up a rifle, that shows any use of force or any resistance will either be shot or imprisoned.  We’ll have ten million on the ground and we’ll have ten million in reserve so they can go to the hotspots where they may be needed to be deployed.

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The objective is to end Islam in the Middle East, replace all the governments with colonial governments like the Brits did, and then to permanently occupy — of course, we’re going to need about 30 million of you citizens to actually go live over there as spies and to go monitor and mingle with these people so that we can complete the job.  We have to Americanize these people.  We’re going to do this and we’re going to do it right.  When we’re finished, there will be no Islam.  There will be no Muslim governments.  I forgot, we have to invade Turkey, too.  There will be no government that is run by a Muslim.  There will be no threat — I have to throw Pakistan and Afghanistan in there, too.  There will be no threat of a government run by a Muslim when we’re finished.  Problem solved.  Hey, what’s $1 trillion?  We might need $2 trillion, guys.  What’s $2 trillion amongst friends, right?  We’re all living under the existential threat of being wiped out by ISIS and HYDRA and S.H.I.E.L.D. right now.  Let’s go do the job and let’s go do it correctly.  Then when we’re finished, we can all go about watching our reality TV shows, hanging out and barbecuing on Sundays without ever having to worry about a jihad ever again.

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