Why Defend The Sacrament of Marriage?

 The Slippery Slope of Gay Marriage

Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – “We’re going to go way beyond polygamy, because polyamory is what’s right around the corner.  Then after polyamory, it’s going to be incest.  After incest, I don’t even want to say what’s coming after that but they’re all coming.  That is because conservatives did not take to the ramparts and refused to hold their position and insist that the term “sacramental marriage” remain exactly that, a gift from God, sacramentum, from the Latin “a gift.””  Check out today’s transcript for the rest…

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Mike:  Rod Dreher at The American Conservative Magazine posts, “And So The Campaign For Polygamy Begins.”  It’s not just polygamy, Rod; it’s polyamory.  We’re going to go way beyond polygamy, because polyamory is what’s right around the corner.  Then after polyamory, it’s going to be incest.  After incest, I don’t even want to say what’s coming after that but they’re all coming.  That is because conservatives did not take to the ramparts and refused to hold their position and insist that the term “sacramental marriage” remain exactly that, a gift from God, sacramentum, from the Latin “a gift.”  If you say that marriage is a sacrament per the Catholic Church and Orthodox churches, what does that mean?  It’s a gift.  A gift from whom, the priest?  He can’t confer a gift on you.  He might be able to give you a wedding present.  So who’s the gift coming from?

You people that refuse to accept this — and there are many of you that want to be fashionable and all progressive and not start fights with your gay friends.  You can still have gay or homosexual friends if you like.

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That doesn’t have anything to do with defending the sacrament of marriage.  This is why.  This movement is going to, I’m telling you, it’s going to happen.  Martyrs are coming back.  I don’t know if we’re going to chop their heads off or just throw them into martyr prisons or bigot prisons, but it’s coming.

If you are of the opinion, devout trad Cath, devout Eastern Orthodox, or even just devout Lutheran, or any of the other denominations that practice baptism and sacraments, think about that word.  Think about that term.  There are seven sacraments and marriage is one of them.  Those are gifts from God.  The government didn’t issue that.  Caesar didn’t issue that.  Obama doesn’t issue that.  The governor of Virginia didn’t issue that.  God issues it.  It is a vow that is made before our God, your God, my God.  It is a gift that he has conferred upon us.  He conferred that gift very clearly upon man and woman.  That’s who the sacrament is to be conferred upon.

If God chooses to send Elijah back down here, or if he chooses to send another of his sons, not Jesus but another one, and he preaches across the countryside and has a troop of disciples and says: My brother was Jesus, but there’s some unfinished business here, so I’m here to spread the word this time and encourage you for the baptism of the sins, remision peccatorum, and counsels and preaches these things.  Then he says: By the way, Father wanted me to tell you that he didn’t mean to just say that the sacrament of marriage was to be conferred only upon man and woman, so I’m here to clarify.  Until that happens, the sacrament is as it was handed down to us, end of story.  There is no argument that you can make.  If you are devout in your faith, and if you live your life and try to practice and honor and defend those sacraments, there’s no argument to end it.  I’m sorry, there isn’t.  If that offends you, too bad, deal with it.  That’s not to say that some aren’t going to invent a manmade form of that.  Well, I guess that’s what they’re free to do, but you’re not going to call it the sacrament.  This is where we have lost the battle and we have allowed the corruption of words again.

As I pointed out to the wonderful audience in Buford, Georgia Saturday, the term “gay,” as defined by Samuel Johnson in the world’s oldest dictionary from 1755 meant happy and cheery.  As a matter of fact, they used it as an adjective to describe that a virgin chose to be gay, in other words, a happy virgin.  Of course, the audience ripped out with laughter.  Think about that.  The term was co-opted.  There’s a Gilbert O’Sullivan song “Alone Again Naturally.”  [singing] “It seems like only yesterday, I was cheerful, bright and gay, looking forward to … .”  He was using the term as it had been defined forever.  The politicians, in collusion with our liberal media overlords, or our other media overlords, in collusion with people that went [mocking] “Yeah, you gotta be more like this” and now it’s gay marriage.  Well, I guess, again, you can call it that.  We have allowed that to happen.  Where were the people to say: Marriage is not something that comes in the form of a license.  It is a sacrament.  It is holy, just as the Eucharist is holy.  You can’t alter that.  You’re not God.  We’re not going to let you alter it.  How about that?  We have lost the battle.  As Rod Dreher points out:

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Now that same-sex marriage is all but a fait accompli in the US it is time to move on to the next frontier: legalizing polygamy.

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Mike:  That’s exactly what these people are going to move to do next.  I played for you once upon a time this clip from this woman, Masha Gessen, who is a polyamorist or a polygamist.  Polyamorist would mean multiple families, multiple wives and swappable husbands and what have you.  Here’s Ms. Gessen at a conference in Sydney, Australia in August of 2012.  Hear for yourselves, with your own ears, what Rod Dreher is saying and what I have been warning you about is exactly and precisely true.

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Masha Gessen: That causes my brain some trouble. Part of why it causes me trouble is because fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we’re going to do with marriage when we get there—because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago. I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally. I don’t see why we should choose of those parents and make them into a sanctioned couple. Between those five parents, we have two groups of three.

Moderator: You might need to take us through that, because we’re getting a bit confused with the five parents.

Gessen:  It would take a long time.

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Moderator: You got married in Massachusetts.

Gessen: I got married in Massachusetts to my partner, who’s Russian, my ex-partner. By that time we had two kids, one of whom was adopted and one of whom I gave birth to. We broke up a couple years after that. A couple years after that, I met my new partner. She has just had a baby. That baby’s biological father is my brother. My daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia. My adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three who have two different . . .

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Mike:  Just one big, happy family.  Five parents, seven parents, who’s counting?  Who cares?  The key part was in the first stanza “the institution shouldn’t exist.”  What is the goal, to marry off gay people?  No, the goal, my friends, let’s eradicate another form of tradition, just get rid of it.  It doesn’t serve any purpose anyway.  Just get rid of it.  As my friend Jay Thomas likes to say on his show, “Get rid of it, get rid of it, get rid of it!”  This, partly because people of good faith, of devout faith, and of good moral character and values did not defend the term.  It never should have come to this had the sacrament been defended.  We didn’t defend the sacrament.  Well, if you want that sacrament to be around, you better get to that rampart, brother and sister, pick up a weapon, and stand a post.  Otherwise, as Jack Nicholson said, “I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to!”

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