Are We Too Far Off The Right Path To Find It Again?
Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – “We have a story today about the State of Alabama saying to the Supreme Court of the United States, one judge standing up, being a man and being counted, being a Christian man and being counted, says: No, I am not going to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals. I’m not going to do it. I won’t do it. He should hold the line on this.” Check out today’s transcript for the rest….
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Mike: We have a story today about the State of Alabama saying to the Supreme Court of the United States, one judge standing up, being a man and being counted, being a Christian man and being counted, says: No, I am not going to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals. I’m not going to do it. I won’t do it. He should hold the line on this. Here’s the story:
At least 51 of 67 Alabama counties were not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples today in defiance of a federal ruling to do so, according to an ABC News count.
Among the Alabamans affected today were Joe Baker and Russell Wilson, who said their excitement turned to disappointment as they headed to the Mobile, Alabama, courthouse to get a marriage license and found the office window closed.
“We thought the windows were going to open at 8 [a.m.],” Baker said. “They just [kept] delaying it and delaying it.”
Instead of signing marriage licenses, Baker and Wilson gathered with several other same-sex couples today in a law office to file new petitions.
“No windows open. No marriage license,” Wilson said. “We waited 33 years for this. … It’s a big disappointment.” [Mike: Now, listen to this. I want you to listen to how this is worded by ABC News. I’m going to quote this to you directly.]
It was a chaotic day for same-sex couples as a U.S. Supreme Court decision made Alabama the 37th state today to allow same-sex marriages.
Mike: Excuse me, ABC News, Alabama did not allow same-sex marriages. The Supreme Court of the United States ordered it to allow same-sex marriages. The State of Alabama has been very clear. The citizens of Alabama have been very clear. There’s no gray area here. Yes, we know what happened. The legislature of Alabama acted upon this and they said no. The people of Alabama reelected those people and told them to go back and make sure you got it right. They did go back. They did get it right. So what happens? Well, we’ll take you to court. What authority does the United States Supreme Court have to determine marital policy in any state of the union? As Kevin Gutzman has pointed out here, author of James Madison and the Making of America, author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution, it has no authority.
Folks, I want to reiterate this again. You have a brand-new Republican Congress you people claim is all filled with these champing-at-the-bit conservative rebels who just can’t wait to get their hands on all the deceit and horror that Obama has done and undo it. They don’t have to wait for the president to stop this insanity. The Congress controls the judiciary. The Congress tells the judiciary what it can hear and what it can’t hear. The Congress brings forth the judiciary into existence. Without the Congress, there is no Article III judiciary.
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court [Mike: So you have to have one court.], and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. [Mike: May, meaning they don’t have to. They can but they don’t have to.] The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made . . .
Mike: There is no constitutional jurisdiction over marriage. Now, folks, this is where this gets a little dicey, and this is why the book Liberty, the God That Failed is important. Because this is not affirmatively stated and most people are woe to state it, this is why the states find themselves in the pickle that they’re in today. “The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution . . . .” Now, if the Constitution acknowledged a higher authority, acknowledged the king of kings, a supreme ruler, God as we call him, then it would also by fiat, at will, acknowledge then that the acts that are brought into being by God, like reserved powers left to the states, are reserved to the clergy. They’re reserved to God. Marriage was an act reserved to the clergy, it was all the way up until the 16th century, and even after that.
The men that wrote and drafted the Constitution and the men that ratified it, they could have fixed this. They could have made it so. Because it’s not so and because it’s not clear, now we’re going to resort to: The states ought to be deciding marriage. The states are a better alternative than federal judges if indeed the states are answering to Christian populations, which is becoming a bit dicey of late. That’s why the discussion in the first hour of the program here, about the moral issues of our time and the direction we’re headed morally as a civilization are as, if not more, important than anything else that we could discuss. Back to the Alabama case.
While some gay Alabamans were able to get marriage licenses, others had less to celebrate. At least 51 counties had refused to issue marriage licenses today, according to the ABC News count.
The turmoil was set in motion last Tuesday when a federal appeals court ruled against delaying the overturning of Alabama’s gay-marriage bans, with U.S. District Judge Callie Granade calling it unconstitutional.
Mike: Why? Why is it unconstitutional? Oh, the miracle amendment, the 14th Amendment, right, right. Again, folks, again, the 14th Amendment, inserted at the tail end of Lincoln’s tyranny, is the root of much of this despicable evil. It was never actually ratified. Go to my website — those of you that are Founders Pass members, go to the Download PDF section. Go read that essay by Forrest McDonald from the University of Georgia. The 14th Amendment was never ratified. That’s not going to change the fact that we use it. Don’t misunderstand, but it’s important history to know.
Then, on Sunday night, Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, a vocal opponent of gay marriage, ordered county probate judges to refuse marriage licenses to gay couples today, despite Granade’s having ruled that probate judges had a legal duty to issue the licenses.
Moore reportedly called homosexuality an “evil” in a 2002 custody ruling.
Mike: So? Up until 1972 when the American Academy of Psychiatrics was forced, was bullied into altering their definition of it, they said it was a mental disorder. I agree, by the bye, before you can call and scream and holler at me, I agree with those people that say like those that are single, not married, courting, dating, etc., that the same rules against adultery and same rules against lust and lustful acts that apply to heterosexuals apply to homosexuals. Since under God you’re not getting a grant of marriage, it’s not going to happen, then it would apply and our duty as Christians is to love those people and encourage them, like we would encourage our daughters and sons as long as they’re not in a state of grace under marriage, under canonical marriage, to abstain. Abstain. It’s not that foreign of a concept. People throughout the ages have taken vows of chastity. We used to revere these people and call them saints. Today we mock them. [mocking] “Nobody can do that.” Like heck they can’t do it.
“I think redefinition of the word ‘marriage’ is not found within the powers designated in the federal government,” he said. “Do they stop with one man and one man or one woman and one woman? … Or do they go to multiple marriages or marriages between men and their daughters or women and their sons?” [Mike: That one’s already been tried. We’ve got nephews marrying aunts in New York.]
This morning, however, the U.S. Supreme Court opted not to halt today’s start of the issuance of same-sex marriage licenses. Moore said the Supreme Court would decide on the matter but until then, he’d fight against gay marriage.
Mike: Again, a federal charter entered into for the benefit of the citizens living in states of the union is now being used against those same citizens to force feed to them things that they do not wish to accept, that they, as a matter of faith, will not accept. This is another reason why the story of those priests, those bishops, those nuns, and those peasants in France who refused to take Robespierre and the radical republican revolutionistas in France’s oaths to deny their God, to renounce their baptismal vows, those people are heroic. They would have told the Supreme Court to go pound sand. We’ll mobilize an army against you, which is what they did in the Vendée in France. They knew that an army was coming for them if they chose to not accept the atheist edicts of the state.
The citizens of the Vendée in France said: Guess what? If we’re going to become martyrs, we might as well become martyrs protecting our land and our women and our children and our churches and our priests whom we love and who have refused to take the oath. French authorities tried to force the clergy to take an oath that was written by and made the priests swear an oath to the State of France, not to God. In Vendée, five out of six priests refused. They said: No way, not going to do it. They were supported by their largely peasant but peaceful parishioners, nearby citizens. They finally fielded an army. There’s a movie made about the Vendée. I never saw it. Some of you told me that you’ve seen it. I haven’t seen it, but just listening to the story tells me that it’s, again, something else, a little part of history that is just not understood by Americans. The fact that Americans at the time were supporting this, until they learned of the atrocities of the September Massacres in Paris, many Americans were cheering this on, as if it was the same as the one that happened here. A cautionary tale, I think.
My point is, there were thousands, tens of thousands in France that refused. All they were told was: Look, all you’ve got to do is take this vow, dude. They didn’t tell them they had to marry homosexuals or anything of the sort. They just said: You have to take this vow. The vow was very similar to the one that the priests took. They just replaced some of the references to God with the State of France. They refused. Many of them were executed as a result of this. People ask me all the time: Mike, what can we do about it? Resist. Those people resisted as a Christian / Catholic population.
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