How Do Illegal Adults Get Reunited With Illegal Children?

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 The Failing Immigration System

Anthology_Book_Cover_FEATUREDMandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript –I’ve asked the question repeatedly and I’ll ask it again: If the Hondurans know that this is going on, and if they know that their citizens again have escaped and sought some kind of political protection or asylum, why aren’t they asking for them back?  This is standard procedure.  Why are they not asking for them back, especially when they’re minors?  They’re runaways.  We have laws against this sort of stuff; I suspect that they do, too.”  Check out today’s transcript for the rest…

Begin Mike Church Show Transcript

Mike:  This is from yesterday’s Washington Compost:


Before they sloshed and skidded across the Rio Grande, Greysi and Claudia Paula had never been on a plane. [Mike: That’s another reason to come to the U.S., you get free plane rides, too. You get free healthcare, free education, free plane rides. I wonder if that includes in-flight service snacks and beverages? Just asking.]

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Now the teenage Honduran sisters are frequent fliers, crisscrossing America on government chartered jets and settling into commercial airliner seats at taxpayer expense. In the harried and jumbled scramble to house a wave of unaccompanied minors illegally entering the United States, U.S. officials have ordered the girls flown from Texas to Arizona, from Arizona to Oklahoma and from Oklahoma back to Arizona — all in a matter of weeks.

Their jagged 3,000-plus mile trek is one of hundreds outlined in confidential Department of Homeland Security e-mails and extensively detailed Honduran diplomatic journals reviewed by The Washington Post.

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Mike:  So the Hondurans know this is going on, in other words.  I’ve asked the question repeatedly and I’ll ask it again: If the Hondurans know that this is going on, and if they know that their citizens again have escaped and sought some kind of political protection or asylum, why aren’t they asking for them back?  This is standard procedure.  Why are they not asking for them back, especially when 2014_This_Is_a_borderthey’re minors?  They’re runaways.  We have laws against this sort of stuff; I suspect that they do, too.  So we know that the Hondurans are keeping track of their own children.  They are their children; they are not ours.  They are subject to the authority of the Honduran government, yet that seems so far away and so abstract as to almost be an anachronism today, doesn’t it?


The documents show that Central American children, almost all of whom will be released to relatives while they await court hearings, are being sent on meandering, circular and often illogical odysseys. Frequently, children are being apprehended in the border states where their families live and flown thousands of miles to shelters and detention facilities, only to be flown back to the border states where their U.S. journeys started.

The pinballing in the skies over America illustrates the extent to which the U.S. immigration system has been caught unprepared. Too many kids, too few beds and intense political pressure on officials to deal quickly with the flood of young migrants have resulted in an expensive, inefficient shuffle.

“It doesn’t make sense,” said Tony Banegas, the Honduran honorary consul in Arizona, who has interviewed more than 400 children, most of whom were flown from Texas to a federal detention center in the border town of Nogales, Ariz. “They were not prepared.”

Quietly, it appears, the federal government has begun to recognize the problem and take small steps to address the logistical chaos. In response to questions from The Post, a spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services, which is responsible for making decisions about the children’s travel and placement…

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Mike:  Let me just stop right here and point out right here, this is the same department that is also allegedly responsible for administering Obamacare.  How can they handle all this?  They have to micromanage the health affairs of 311 million people.  On top of that, they have to micromanage and then manage the health affairs of now illegals that are here.  They don’t even know where they’re going to send them to be cared for.  You know what’s a tragedy here?  It’s not just the children that have made their way from their home countries and are in the United States and we seem totally inept and incapable of dealing with this.  To the world, we seem totally inept and incapable of dealing with this.  There’s a problem with that, isn’t there?  How is it that the greatest, grandest, alleged superpower in the history of great, grand, alleged superpowers cannot deal with problems that are of our own making, that seem to have very basic, simple, common-sense answers or solutions to?illegal-immigrants

Somebody comes in, you haven’t invited them, the states haven’t invited them, then you deport them.  It’s pretty simple.  Oh, but Congress decided that they wanted to make a law and wanted to determine: These people can stay, and we have to give them a hearing because there’s this human trafficking or whatever it is that’s going on there.  Let’s put a few clauses in here just in case there’s some firefighting going on in the country they came from.  That’s an excuse, too.  What country on earth these days, other than Switzerland, doesn’t have firefights?  Can you name one?


In the upside-down world of this border crisis, the trip to Nogales represented progress for the girls. Their parents live in Phoenix, a three-hour drive to the north.

“Now, you’re close,” their mother, Elsa, recalled telling the girls when they phoned from Nogales. “Oh, my God, I’m so happy.”

But days later, there was another call. Elsa learned that the girls weren’t being driven to her but instead were being flown on another chartered plane, this time to Oklahoma, more than 900 miles east, to a temporary shelter at Fort Sill, an Army post.

“My world collapsed,” said the mother, who hadn’t seen her daughters since they were toddlers. “I had my girls so close. Now they were going so far.”

The decision puzzled Banegas. The day after the girls were sent to Oklahoma, he received an e-mail notification from the Department of Homeland Security showing that a half-dozen beds were available in Arizona. And not just in Arizona, but in Phoenix, only minutes from the small apartment the girls’ parents rent on a street where almost all the business have signs in Spanish. [Mike: But don’t worry, they assimilate wonderfully once they’re here. Really?]

Finally, after three flights, numerous van rides to and from shelters and approximately three weeks and thousands of miles — the girls were released from federal custody. They are living with their parents in Phoenix and awaiting a court appearance to determine whether they can remain in the United States.

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Mike:  Folks, unless I totally am misinformed when it comes to current U.S. law, if the parents are legal, if they have been naturalized or citizenized or whatever the term may be, why would you have to have a hearing to determine — if they are now subject to the jurisdiction thereof, of the United States, then their children, their offspring would then be subject to the jurisdiction thereof of the United States, meaning they were legally submitted to the sovereign legal authority, they acknowledged it, they’ve taken oaths or vows of citizenship.  I don’t know.  Maybe you people in Arizona made citizens out of them.  You can so you can tax them.  My understanding, though, is that Arizona had bills that were on their books that were designed to do the exact opposite.

Remember the big baseball player, the big campaign: We’re not going to go to Arizona until they let illegals in.  Of course, the people of Arizona refused to budge because they know what happens when you do.  Then they were ordered to do so by whom?  A federal judge.  A federal judge struck the laws of the sovereign State of Arizona down in this regard.  I don’t know.


There’s nothing in this story about the legality of the parents.  But it seems to me that they are probably not legal.  Then, again, how does this continue to occur?

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It occurred because, as I have said over and over and over again, when Arizona acted back in the day — it’s acted at least a half a dozen times — to write its own laws to deal with alien friends — these girls are alien friends.  We’re not at war with Honduras.  They haven’t been declared a hostile nation state that we don’t have any relations or peace or amity with.  We’re not at war with them.  They’re alien friends.  You can look this up in Vattel’s Law of Nations.  What’s the definition of an alien friend?  Look it up.  The definition fits perfectly all of these children.  The State of Arizona has passed laws to deal with alien friends.  You can call them illegal but they’re still alien friends.  We’re not at war with them, which basically says we have the right to deny you services.  We don’t have to provide you anything.  And what happens?  A federal judge then comes and says: Not so fast, buddy.  Guess what?  You don’t run your own state, pal.  We run it from the federal bench.

End Mike Church Show Transcript

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