Our Man In Mordor Discusses The GOP
Mandeville, LA – Exclusive Transcript – “I was telling the audience earlier today that I cannot logically reason – my logic will not allow me to reason any other way or any other reason why Cruz and Kasich are hanging around other than the GOP has something nefarious up its sleeve and they still need live, warm campaigning bodies on the scene of the crime to make it happen.” Check out today’s transcript for the rest….
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Mike: Last night obviously was a big day, as was anticipated, for Donald Trump. It was, as anticipated, a rotten day for Ted “ineligible” Cruz. I guess it was a great day for John Kasich because he actually got three delegates. I was telling the audience earlier today that I cannot logically reason – my logic will not allow me to reason any other way or any other reason why Cruz and Kasich are hanging around other than the GOP has something nefarious up its sleeve and they still need live, warm campaigning bodies on the scene of the crime to make it happen. What do you think?
Jordan Bloom: That’s still kind of an open question, I guess. The thing that everybody fears is that the Republican establishment will try to rip the nomination away from Trump. I actually think that’s – I mean, the establishment is wilier and more compromising than I think we’re even considering. There’s some evidence that they’re starting to warm up to Trump. For example, Patrick Howley, report for Breitbart, uncovered that a DC delegate was not actually a DC resident, so ineligible to be a DC delegate. He basically called the Republican Party and they said they’d get on it and have her removed. The Republican Party is sort of starting to take the criticisms of the pro-Trump people seriously. That would be one piece of evidence that would indicate that maybe they aren’t as against Trump as the people who are diehard Ted Cruz supporters. I think that really is an important thing to note. Your Erick Ericksons, your Liz Mair, your Dana Loesches, these sort of lifelong conservatives, they hate Trump more than the Republican establishment does.
Mike: I don’t get that. I have some disagreements with Donald Trump. I am not a Trump booster. I’ve already announced I’m not voting this year, so don’t call me, [mocking] “Who did you vote for? You didn’t do your civic duty.” I’ve done decades of civic duty. I ain’t doing civic duty this year. It doesn’t matter if I vote anyways. Having said that, I really do not understand the diatribes that are hurled Trump’s way. Trump is no more hysterical in the things that he says than Ted Cruz is hysterical in a ridiculous statement like: If I’m elected president, we’re going to find out whether or not sand glows in the dark. That’s as hysterical and as outrageous a statement as I believe humanly possible. Threatening to turn an entire desert, alleged sandy area, threatening to detonate a nuclear bomb on it, or even intimating that that’s some kind of walk in the park or fantasy for people.
I think what it is is that the Dana Loesches, especially, of the world are so inured to the idea that American politics and the American political system is the most pristine creation in the history of man when it comes to political entities. Therefore, it is only possible, it has to be possible, nay, probable, that just the right guy or gal is going to come along and fix it for them. It’s going to work the way little Jimmy Madison fantasized, or the way that Thomas Jefferson or James Wilson or Ben Franklin fantasized. We’re just one fantasy away from political nirvana. They’re the ones that are clinging to something that is not real, has not manifested itself as real ever in history, and that includes the First Congress till today. It’s the Trumpistas, the Trumpzilla supporters, it seems to me, that are actually starting to conform their mind to the reality that politics is so corrupt it may take a heavy-handed, assertive guy like Trump to actually get anything done today. What do you think?
Bloom: Sure. What’s that Tallyrand quote? It’s worse than a crime, it’s a mistake. That’s what I don’t think people get about Cruz. Michael Dougherty is exactly right. When the American people get an up or down vote on conservatism as an ideology, it loses. Ted Cruz fails the Buckley Rule test. The Buckley Rule is to support the most electable conservative. Ted Cruz can’t win in a general election. These kind of never-Trumpers, these pro-Cruz people, they don’t understand that. What I Think it is really more than anything, maybe they do understand it and they just don’t care. They’re willing to die on that hill. I think more than that, they’re willing to die on that hill because they see their movement as so important and so integral to the, I guess the livelihoods of some of these people, like Loesch and Erick Erickson and the rest. They’re willing to let the entire conservative movement founder on a losing candidate as long as they keep their little gravy train going, and as long as they don’t have to support someone who’s admittedly ideologically compromised. Trump is a pragmatist. He doesn’t really believe anything.
Mike: If we were quoting lines from The Big Lebowski, we’d say: Yah, we are nihilists. We believe in nothing, Lebowski. We believe in nothing, Trump. You would just describe the nihilist if he believes in nothing. Nihilism is a belief that nothing matters is more appropriate. I think you just said something that is profound, Jordan. This ideological movement and this system, their livelihood is tied to it. I believe that that’s what the Trump voter has discovered.
There are some entities – for example, there’s not a day goes by that someone doesn’t tweet me, Facebook me or email me about what they call my replacement on Sirius XM. They call it Trumpbart now. [mocking] “Breitbart is Trump this and Trump that.” I don’t listen so I don’t know. I don’t really have an opinion on it. I don’t really care. I do know that people are saying that Breitbart has gone all in for Trump. I read news from Breitbart from time to time. I have not read an opinion on that. That is then an entity that is swimming in the same waters as Loesch and Erickson and Limbaugh and Hannity and all the rest of them, and has actually taken Trump under their wing. What’s going on there?
Bloom: I’ll actually defend them on this a little bit. I’m no fan of the Steve Bannon vanity show. I think they are smart. The entire Breitbart business model is to zag where others are zigging. The Daily Caller does the same thing. They understand that when your Ericksons, your Mark Levins are bashing Trump, there’s a huge, huge – what does Bannon call it? He’s actually used this phrase a couple times on air, the phrase “populist nationalist movement.” They started using that – in fact, Bannon first used it in an interview about taking over that Sirius XM show a couple months ago, and they’ve used it on air since. So has Laura Ingraham. This is another thing that I think is interesting. The populists and nationalists –
Mike: What is the quote again? I want to write this down.
Bloom: – are words that these conservative radio personalities are okay with. Also, I think Breitbart gets more than anyone else – they’re less scrupulous than maybe Levin or something. They understand that these millions of people aren’t being spoken for so they’re going to do it because there’s a big audience there. I think that’s basically smart. Whether their Trumpbart, does it make them pro-Trump that they’re debunking – they’re doing the same thing they’ve always been doing, which is debunking mainstream media narratives. That was Andrew Breitbart’s MO.
This whole thing – I can’t say too much about this whole Michelle Fields thing because I know virtually everyone who’s related to the story. The whole thing just seems like a real embarrassment to the DC press corps. Breitbart was criticized a lot for – I guess it was assumed that they weren’t sticking up for their reporter. Now this prosecution against Corey Lewandowski has been completely thrown out. They’re talking about bringing a civil case. Breitbart basically has always been about puncturing this self-importance and BS, for lack of a better term. I don’t see this whole pro-Trump thing as entirely out of character for Breitbart I guess is what I’m trying to say.
Mike: Now, what was the quote that you said that they live by? I wanted to write it down. You said they’re all operating under this principle and that includes Breitbart. You even mentioned Dana Loesch. You said Laura Ingraham.
Bloom: Populist nationalist movement. That’s a little phrase they’ve used numerous times since then. You can Google it. You can find a couple different instances.
Mike: I just wrote it down. Jordan Bloom from The Daily Caller and from The Mitrailleuse is my guest. He’s here every other Wednesday. Let’s just switch gears for just a moment here, to something that may or may not tickle the fancy of the audience. I think this is huge. I also think that this has to be an act of desperation. The story you sent me is, German and Dutch military are merging, which could bring about the lust lovechild of the corruptocrat international bankers in the EU to bring about an EU army. Most people are going to look at that headline and they’re not going to get why that is a huge story and why that is dangerous. You want to explain it to them?
Bloom: Yeah, sure. I don’t know too much about it. I just thought it was very interesting. A number of Dutch army units have been put under control of the German army, I guess with this being the first sort of set of steps toward an EU-wide army. That sounds like a creature out of Alex Jones’ nightmares.
Mike: Doesn’t it? Here’s what I would say is dangerous. This sounds to me – and I bet it will sound to many other people as that news gets out and gets around. This sounds to me as though the EU is aware, quite acutely aware that the UK is probably going to bolt. As a matter of fact, if the UK knows what’s good for it, it probably has to bolt. What may follow is Hungary and a few other countries that are going Christian in their constitutions and in their makeup are probably going to bolt as well. What seems to me is happening here is a realignment of those peoples that might have, sort of, kinda agreed on policy and on the way things ought to be in Europe at the end of the monarchy of Kaiser Wilhelm, at the beginning of the German National Socialist Party. Then another opportunity is arising for yet another strong-arm entity to rear its ugly head. Look, the Brits are – look what happens again. The Brits wind up being isolated. Why? Because the Brits, even though they’re Anglican, have retained more of their former Catholicism and more of their attachment to ancient tradition and ancient moral code and ancient method of conduct than their other European counterparts have.
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Bloom: Maybe. It’s also possible that the British people just understand that the EU is a bad deal for them. Maybe it’s not their Catholic roots, but maybe it’s their Anglo-Dutch mercantile values.
Mike: I would say their Catholic roots or their Christian roots as well. My point is that they’re probably, other than Spain and Italy and the aforementioned Hungary and Poland, they’re probably, of the large EU countries, the country that has retained the most. There’s some residual grace there, I guess is the point. Why does –
Bloom: Speaking of secession, one of the other stories I sent you was this New York Times piece. It follows on the thing we talked about last week –
Mike: I saw it.
Bloom: – about those Democrats in St. Louis that wanted to become their own state. The New York Times this week, I guess in Saturday’s paper, came out with this article about how this is happening all across the South, in Durham, NC; Jackson, MS; Dallas. These sort of liberal urban cores are wanting more self-determination from their wicked conservative states. I thought about writing a quasi-satire piece about two Republican politicians, making the point: Let them go. You’ll be making the same argument soon enough. You need to show magnanimity. A case for Republican politicians to let liberal cities secede.
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